The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. If you read the article linked, its not even an indigenous tribe. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. ALSO, I really want to know where and when Kris quit wearing her backpack! Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. Wonder if it could be a piece of an aircraft wreckage. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Fortunately, I have that ability. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. That photo was wiped clean from the SD card, which is a strong clue that someone deleted it after the other photos were taken. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. This is because people who knew the area were able to recognize that the nighttime photos were likely taken at Caldera springs, more than 20 miles from the area the girls allegedly went missing at. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. And the black mark on her face. They keep trying to call emergency. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. I am not an investigator but I find it very strange that there were no witnesses found either tourists or locals on the trail. It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. You can see a kind of nose and lips. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Nobody knows what happened to Kris and Lisanne and everything is open to speculation until more information is found. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. We simply dont have enough information at this time. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. I am thinking while I am writing so please be patient with me. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. So I see men in the cave. Theyd probably just bury the camera in a deep hole or toss it in the river or ocean. It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. Hi JW, yes I agree with you about many things. Its possible theres a painted insignia on the post to right of Kris. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. I never noticed this before I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. It needs to be stressed that while the AI upsampled image looks impressive, it cannot and does not recover any lost information. If someone died, you would certainly write, Body can be found at xyz.. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. Ive been to Brasil and the Amazon and spent nights there in the rain with a crowd though. Europe is the world . If you have any supplementary information regarding the case, or if you were involved in this case and feel that the information available in this article impacts your privacy, please contact our team. OmgIm staring at this pic. The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. Their causes of death have never been determined. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. Kris walks down the ravine and bends over to examine orange graffiti Im curious. Dogs are very independent here. Also, aserial killer might have stalkedtheir area at the time. How many tourists go to Australia? If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. They could have been a target early on. They decided to enter the jungle, but they failed to mark their entry point into the jungle with a stack of rocks or some such marking. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? Not in the third world. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. Is the time that photo was taken known? The students from Amersfoort in the Netherlands had spent six months planning their dream trip to Panama, hoping to spend some time backpacking, volunteering and learning Spanish. I have no idea. Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. In fact the last 4 (pre-nightime) photos are at odds with the others. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. Two days pass. Some people claim that maybe photo #509 could have been corrupted as some sort of faulty camera configuration, but that wouldnt make sense even corrupted files retain some data and bits of the original file itself. The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. Nothing can explain the bones, the cut foot, their underwear in one of the backpacks. This level of negligence and irresponsibility would be considered criminal in a developed country. Its all speculation until more answers are found. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. These photos all look very photoshopped. They would have shared all the info with the private investigators whom they have hired. I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. Hi Anna, youre casting a wide net when you say If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist.. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. Cave photo: The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. They are free now. Sorry to bring up the dog again. Again NO SIGNAL! For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, The girls saved up for six months for the trip to Panama, One of the last pictures taken on a camera belonging to one of the girls, The contents of a backpack found near a river and handed in by a local woman, A foot was found still inside a boot two months after the girls vanished, Photos released from the camera showed some of the girl's belongings scattered around the rocks, And one image appears to show the back of Kris's head - possibly with blood around the bottom of her hair, Chilling photos found on missing hikers camera show mysterious final moments before girls vanished in Panama jungle, Headteacher sacked 'after sending parents a list of striking teachers' as school launches probe, Isle of Innisfree ferry: Blaze breaks out on boat carrying 183 people in English Channel as lifeboats scramble to scene. All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. Fact. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. And I cannot fathom standing this way, hands behind the back and turned like that unless my hands were restricted behind my back. Hi Abrahm, thank you for your comment. The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? and happened to Kris that would explain why Lisannes phone was first one used to make an SOS call. A lot of times countries dont want investigations to be publicized or they shut them down as best they can in order for their tourist trade to not be hurt!!!!! She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. Too many coincidences. All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. The limited number of attempts especially on the first day is very strange. The rich live in gated communities. If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. After days and days, they finally got a bit of reception and some hope, and they didnt try again?? That is an interesting photo taken of Kris Kremers under the slatted roof. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. exactly, you are very right about the shape of her arms and facial expression. Then again, my brain may be playing tricks from staring at it too long. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? It holds a bad energy. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. Thanks for all you are doing Chris. No Chris, I assure you, police investigations are routinely botched like this in the third world. In which photos? She does look slightly uneasy but I just think it was a photo she wasnt expecting. In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. I have no doubt that the camera was tampered with. A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. I agree with you. & the way the local police handled it seems so botched making it stranger, & why keep some pictures hidden from the public still, especially if the case is closed now? Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. Reading this reminded me of another photo the girls took of a branch with what appears to be red plastic attached to it. Thanks and cheers. Whatever happened and if it did not include a third party must have been serious and traumatic because we live in selfie times and as can be seen from their earlier fotos they were in the selfie zone. She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. Perhaps this is someone who had already joined them along the trail, and that only one of the girls was cool with the third party thats why the complete change from the first exuberant pictures. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Cheers. Therefore, this can prove that the likelihood of a third party being involved is very high. Who said they didnt? The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. This backpack suddenly showed up 2 months after the disappearing. The mystery remains unsolved to this day, and there is still little certainty around the tragic deaths of the two Dutch students. However, if Kremers and Froon had found manmade ramshackle structures during their hike, such as the possible items viewed in this photo, its possible they had unwanted company. The government intentionally did not investigate key pieces of information: fingerprints, phone records, locals in the area, other forms of DNA. They were friends from college, and were roommates then, so Lisanne had to have known Kris password as her best friend. Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. Theres A red plastic bag above Kris in a tree to her left. Of course, there are always exceptions. Hi Louie, Unfortunately no. Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. & very very eerie all in all- I think youre absolutely right on its significance. Nonsense. She looks disorientated almost. But after they waved goodbye to the local family for a mid-morning walk on April 1, 2014, they were never seen alive again. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. I agree. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. Shortly after this photo is when the girls encountered trouble and tried to dial for help. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. This eliminates all questions about why didnt the girls call X, Y, Z. On the far right upper right of the photo. Could the red object be a bird? I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing.

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