When Oldsmobile did its four-speed conversions on-line [1970-'72], it just cut out the floor with a torch! Performance & security by Cloudflare. If you don't win, your existing pre-authorization will be released. The predecessor to the 1969 W-31 was Oldsmobile's 1968 Ram Rod 350. Find out where they were built. The BaT Service Fee is 5% of the bid, with a minimum of $250 up to a maximum of $5,000. Antique and Classic Car VIN Numbers / What Do They Tell Us? 1970 oldsmobile w31 production numbers. Average new car price was $3,000. Rare Fully Restored 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 Coupe :: 1 Year Production, Only 3,547 Produced, Powered by Numbers Matching 350ci 310hp V8 Engine, 700R4 Overdrive Transmission, Sebring Primo Classics International LLC You see, unlike today's completely insane muscle car marketplacewhere typical buyers of these 550 to 840 horsepower road kings age between 40 and 140, always pay their insurance bills on time, and seldom do crazy things on public roadsthe muscle car move of the 1960s was a first-time-around deal. I think for under 10k worth of work you could have a really nice ride that would be a blast to drive and just be seen in!! My database is quickly growing on these cars, and it should make for an informative book. Then there's the more obvious. Oldsmobile people would actually go just to look for me. The major change for the 1970 W-31 was the deletion of the long induction tubes. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a2b73d15da07ed1 The manufacturer estimates that about 200 Taycan cars cannot be built per day. June 17, 2010 in Technical, I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine, It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure. The front passenger fender looks to be a repaint. Our featured automobile is the 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31. "This is the car that got me interested in the W-31 small-block cars," he said. These models were equipped with the Pace Car package. We have 21 locations and have Sold 201, ranging from $6995 to $92000. I'm 40 years old. Your daily digest of everything happening on the site. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The engine was not offered after 1971. "Not full restorations because I only have a one-car garage. It seems that many 442s from the era have automatic transmissions, not sure of the breakdown with the W-31. It was pointed out that the largest market for Oldsmobiles was the population whose parents had in fact owned Oldsmobiles. If he is authenticating a 1970 model and the fender doesn't look like this, that means it has been replaced for some reason, and an owner's claim of "all original sheetmetal" goes out the window. Sign up for a new account in our community. Minore (right) chats with Ryan Weaver at the 2015 MCACN show about Weaver's barn-found 1969 W-31. Your real-time updates could not be connected. We have seen other 1970 Cutlass W-31s advertised in the $80,000 to $115,000 range. Horsepower was reported at 325 at 5400rpm, even though the mill featured a new aluminum intake manifold. Andy's father, John, bought this W-31 brand new, then parked it in his housethis housein 1984. No power brakes on these due to the wild cam profile,,, the minuete I read that as a teenager back in 82 I had to have one, never found one, seen so so few. Let's face it. Bid for the chance to own a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Hardtop W-31 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Why don't you do something like drafting for a living?

. Stephen spent some of his formative years "banging gears and laying rubber all around town" in his uncle Mark's 1969 Cutlass Supreme. Larger engines, high end wheels are a few of the modifications. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Please enable JavaScript to engage in the discussion on this site. Description from seller. When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. LOL Seriously, though, having driven my girlfriends 2003 loaded Camry all over the country I can say without a doubt they routinely get you from point A to B without issue. Who the hell wants that? Posts: 13 Thanks: 0. When it comes to the W-30 cars, Oldsmobile made only about five or six different Julian codes, and you've got to be able to recognize those carburetors when you see them. Oldsmobile had beat out both Pontiac and Plymouth to be the number 3 best selling brand in the U.S. behind Chevrolet and Ford. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Greenlight Barrett-Jackson Auction Block 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 Holiday Cpe at the best online prices at eBay! These models were equipped with the Hurst/Olds package. Assuming the VIN derivative shows it to be a 1970 block, and the #6 heads have the 2.000/1.625 valves, and the cam is the correct 308 degree cam, and it has the W-31-unique balancer, and it has the correct distributor, and the pistons are flattops, then there's a high probability that the motor is an original W-31. Factory Tach doesnt appear to be missing, where would it go? Learn how your comment data is processed. W-31 fender emblems. If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 1970 CUTLASS SUPREME COUPE REBUILT 455 V8 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION 442 TRIBUTE BEAUTIFUL BLACK PA . 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'S' Sports Coupe W31 #5 02-18-2023, 07:06 PM tom M. Junior Member : Join Date: Aug 2019. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The 1990s were not good times for Oldsmobile. It had ram air, sport mirrors, W-31 side stripes, and W-31 fender badges, but otherwise it looked just like a W-30. this is a 15,000$ car tops if it is what it is and all there. The body was refinished in its factory shade of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) during prior ownership in 1984 according to the seller, and photos of paint meter readings are provided in the gallery below along with close-up photos depicting the paint and trim. Although it used the same block as the 455, GM management would not allow Oldsmobile to install an engine of more than 400 cubic inches in the mid size B body. I have pictures of the cars that I actually took apart and took photographs of and can tell within two seconds whether the VIN is right because I have examined so many cars. This month, we've stumbled onto a very special Oldsmobile that was meant to throw the insurance man a curve. Minore was there to authenticate the car, which we recently featured in Rare Finds ("More Than Just a Car," Sept. '15). have had a number of new and used cars, I found the Mercury Milan to have great styling, handled beautifully, and never broke down. 1962 Chevrolet Corvette4 days$33,750Bid Now, 1978 Chevrolet Corvette5 days$2,100Bid Now, 1971 Lincoln Continental Mark III6 days$2,750Bid Now, 1961 Volkswagen Samba Deluxe 23-Window8 days$100Bid Now. It's vital that you take a look at the firewall to see that it hasn't been fooled with. "Unless you have a paper trail, it's next to impossible to say this is a true W-31 factory car," he says. Kia in collaboration with Lucky Group has taken the initiative of establishing their manufacturing plant in, In general, you should expect to service your Porsche every 10,000 miles or once per year. More than 300,000 Porsche cars were sold in 2021. Vehicles with Similar 21.55 HP/Weight Ratio I'm currently in the process of working on a W-31 Authentication Guide and am hoping to have it published sometime next year. It said "W-30" right on it, but the number listed at the top was not the VIN. That is the color most chosen by Camry buyers during its entire production run, rumor has it. The dark blue finish is still presentable and the faded presence of the black W-31 body stripe, as well as the black hood accents, are still visible. What does it cost to authenticate a 1970s Oldsmobile muscle car? The biggest thing on any 1968 to 1970 W-31 and a dead giveaway to the car's pedigree is a dual fuel line just like a regular Cutlass equipped with air conditioning. The Ramrod 350 Cutlass appeared in 1968 and became the W31 in 1969. When doing a vehicle authentication, I make sure that the car has the right fenders on it. A lot of people don't know that. Total 1970 Oldsmobile production was 633,980 vehicles. Look at the drivers door closeup showing the GM label, there is paint overspray there as well. The ad does not state which 4-Speed was offered, M-20 or M-21. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. Dabblers or flippers in the muscle car hobby would likely mistake the unique W-31 350 as a common GM V-8 fitted with a four-barrel. I go through the block and look at the Julian codes, heads, and intake manifold if it's not a W-30. See prices, photos, and find dealers near you. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Its not accurate. Supreme Holiday Hardtop Supreme Convertible Supreme 4-Door Holiday Hardtop Handling 1970 Averages The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 69.50 inches in width, The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 203.20 inches in length, and has a wheelbase of 112.00 inches. 209.151.232.218 Email: contact@drivinithome.com. This would include a six- to 10-page detailed vehicle report with breakdowns on cowl tag info; date codes on the engine, transmission, rearend; and all the important pieces that make a W-30 or W-31 car what it is. That too has its own part number. Among those other pursuits is Minore's complete and total infatuation with Oldsmobile's W-Machines, specifically the 1968-1972 models. How hard would it be to change out the clutch or even rebuild the tranny for that $22k ask? Who knows what else is wrong if the car cant be driven. The Oldsmobile Cutlass first came on the scene as a 1961 1/2 model. Are you sure you want to proceed? "A lot of people will tell you back in the day this car, with the 3.91 stock rearend, would keep up with the W-30 at the track. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. Terms of Use, Your Privacy Choices Chevrolet, Pontiac and Buick had been doing this and Olds joined the movement. Properly tuned, a W-31 is fun to drive, but it isnt going to scare anyone. This difference in philosophy between the two manufacturers can be directly felt first on the reliability of the vehicles. The transmission in a W-30 would have an OW. To be able to look at a picture of an original W-30 car from back in the day to reference something is priceless.". Neat car. Unless you can do all of the work yourself, I wouldnt touch it. Suspension with the W-31 package upgraded the front and rear coil-spring suspension to the FE2 heavy duty components This included special springs and tubular hydraulic shocks. On a true four-speed car, you'll see the slag on the edges of the opening. Jimmy is a mile deep in knowledge and an inch wide in focus. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_4',148,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_5',148,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0_1'); .large-leaderboard-2-multi-148{border:none !important;display:block !important;float:none !important;line-height:0px;margin-bottom:7px !important;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important;margin-top:7px !important;max-width:100% !important;min-height:250px;padding:0;text-align:center !important;}. Jimmy was astounded to find an old color print that John's mother had taken at the dealership where she picked up the car brand new. What are the production numbers for a f85 W31? 1970 f85 w31 the car has everything a w31 has except carb intake and harmonic balancer has edelbrock carb and intake on it now and its a automatic trans which was rare only 52 made and its correct for a w31 car has matching number block but has 71 heads on it car needs some . A special edition Hurst/Olds paced the Indy in 1972. There's a certain spot weld you have to look for where they spot-welded the four-speed transmission boot adaptor bracket into the transmission tunnel. As these cars became more popular, Stephen began to question things like verifying an Olds as a real 4-4-2. The cars with A/C got the QS version of the 400 cid engine. Keep me in the conversation via email. Everything you need to know about your car! The Julian code on the rearend has to be correct, and the code will tell you what the rearend ratio is. Always question everything else the seller says when he wont do something basic like clutch replacement and his asking is so high. When you bid we pre-authorize your credit card for the service fee (this helps prevent fraud). Up to that point I didn't know the difference, so I went and inspected the car. There is no photo of the drivers side of the car so perhaps there is more of a problem there. There is a good amount of rust on areas visible in the photos, and you dont have any photos of the drivers side at all. It was gold with back stripes and had a ram air hood. Oldsmobile muscle car fanatics, you will want to take a very close look at this amazing Olds W-Machine! Car Fin Styling of the 1950s / Photos and History, How to Find Vintage and Antique Car Parts, Locations of Serial Numbers and Stamps on Vintage Vehicles, Model T Serial Numbers and Registering Antique Vehicles, Sample Decodings of Classic Car Serial Numbers, Search for Cars, Trucks and Parts / Advertise on this Site, The Worlds Two Highest Selling Cars At Auction, Tips on Keeping Your Antique Car or Truck Looking Great, Value of Classic and Vintage Cars and Trucks. Many would say that the brand picked up an image of being old and stuffy. I can only do one car at a time, but the job gets done right.". However, after a car has been restored, it's much harder to figure out whether or not it's the real deal. In the early 1980s, model-year production totaled more than one million vehicles several times, something only Chevrolet and Ford had achieved. A couple of years ago I drove out to New Jersey to authenticate a couple of cars for a client in California. Guest tonycutlass I helped a friend swap out the one in his 67 442 using a curb in a suburban neighborhood, serving as a ramp, for under-car access. "See these hands, son? 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 Collector Values. It was both BMW's first and only production V10 engine, and the first petrol V10 engine to be available in a production sedan (saloon). Cutlass rear bumper is worth a thousand dollars, that is if you can find one. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. For more info, read about our auctions or email us with any questions. . Available was a four speed automatic. MCR: What are the areas you look at when authenticating a car? Just 500 were made, all four-speeds. Sitting at the top of our list is the Porsche Cayenne with an impressive 84.2% retained retail value after three years. Im willing to bet the lower fender, rockers, and rear wheel lips are shot as well. Missed updates will be sent once your connection has been reestablished. Oldsmobile built 1,352 of these muscle cars for the 1970 model year: 1,029 as Cutlass S Holiday Coupe two-door hardtops, 116 as Cutlass Sports Coupes (a two-door post), and 207 in the F-85. The outside air now came through the hood scoops and directly into the air cleaner. The inline six alternative had a very limited following. There is a lot more than 49,000 miles on it. I started buying cars in 1980 and through the years they almost all had at least 70k and yet somehow all these cars have half that 30-40 yrs later In 1970, Oldsmobile Division came out with an aluminum W-31 intake similar to the one used on the W-30s and made by the same foundry. "History really makes these cars become that much more interesting," Jimmy says. Good luck! Cars are made in every corner of the globe, but when it comes to Porsche, home is definitely where the heart is. In 1970, Oldsmobile Division stamped out only one style of fender. The seller advises that it has rust but the floors and trunk are very solid. The exterior of this Cutlass is fair. However, auto reviewers have given the Lamborghini Huracan an overall reliability rating of. The stripes are poorly done, not even close to the factory style. Available on any F85, Cutlass, or Cutlass-S 2-door hardtop or pillar coupe for a measly $157.98, the Rallye 350 came only in eye-blistering Sebring Yellow paint which covered just about everything, including the bumpers, standard issue N66 Super Stock II wheels, fiberglass W25 hood (right off the big W30 4-4-2), and W35 trunk spoiler. I would rather have a clean all together 200,000 mile car than one claiming such low mileage with everything worn out. While W-31 is down on engine displacement, the power is no different than a 68 Oldsmobile 442 with an automatic transmission so whether this serves as a high insurance premium salve or not, it is hard to say. This car was the most reliable car I have ever owned. That's part of how they advertised it.". There is quite a bit of metalwork required from what you can see, wait until you begin to peel back the onion. Minore's expertise hits its sweet spot with the 1968-1972 Oldsmobiles, but he's boning up on earlier and later models as well. Power 2019 Vehicle Dependability Study, or VDS. However, he said that so-called experts had told him that it was not for that particular car because it didn't have the VIN listed at the top of it. What makes the W-31 the car it is, is Oldsmobile 325 HP, 350 CI, V8 engine. As 19sixty5 suggests that this car looks more like 149K vs. 49K. In 1968, a full 52 percent of America's population was under the age of 25. A power steering system was reportedly installed by the original owner, while updates by the seller are said to include resealing of the steering gear, re-installation of the power steering equipment, replacement of the center steering link and hoses and shock absorbers as well as performing an alignment. This is not an easy restoration by any means, but as they say, the bones are there, I had a 1968 ramrod my junior year in high school 1980 bought it after I totaled my 71 Torino cobra I paid 1600 for the ramrod the same as I paid for my Torino . These fenders had a flat ridge running all the way down to where they meet the hood. It was designed as a sportier high end F-85. It is located in Cleveland, Ohio, and available here on craigslist for $22,500. If I lived closer and could afford to bid, I wouldnt offer any more than $12.000.00. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. 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