This is real technology, and our test results suggest it results in fewer missed putts. Fan for life. Thanks for a laymans explanation. This, so far in golf, is the perfect putter from grip to groove. Not true. as well as honest reporting on the latest issues affecting the game To each their own but wow, really? Groove pattern is very important. Now, the spin imparted to the ball by this interaction does have ramifications for the flight of the ball due to aerodynamic effects resulting from that spin, but gear effect is not in itself an aerodynamic phenomenon. The dots also assist the golfer on aligning breaking putts. Shortly after Evnrolls launch, other manufacturers started mimicking Rifes patented groove approach. Im sold and I doubt Ill ever move to another. Though this provided a measure of validation, some designs proved to be too similar which is why you dont see them on the market any longer. It was more like slapping the ball around. Also, Ill never understand how only a test with only 10 participants is acceptable these days. The ball doesnt whiffle ball to the hole . GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. This is my favorite golf site and Tony is my favorite author on here. Needed to get used to it, but it is great. The feel is great, just wish they could get the sound right. Remember what Netflix did to Blockbuster stores? Odyssey DFX Seven 1 049 kr 1 499 kr. Either Rife and his team use available resource to produce retail models or they use those same resources for prototyping and special projects. Feedback is crisp, counterbalance and heavy head promote a rhythmic stroke. Blah, blah, blah bottom line, gotta make money, blah, blah. Not exactly compelling data. It has helped me big time. Put differently, Evnroll established itself first with gearheads and consumers who held performance as the only worthy metric. Many golfers need the lighter head weights in their putters. The biggest change was a putting lesson. If it supposedly turns the ball in towards the hole due to gear effect then it really should have shined at the longer distances because as the distances increase, the impact of minor mishits increases significantly. Gear effect is the wrong phrase from a marketing perspective, because it is a physics term used to describe a concept of ball flight that is strictly an aerodynamic phenomenon. Evnroll putters werent available in time for our 2016 Most Wanted Putter test, so to evaluate the effectiveness of this new technology, we put fourEvnroll models up against the best performing putters from our recent 2016 putter test. 5 Testers Needed! And the ball goes in the hole. I know its industry standard to have 10-20 people in these type of tests. In that vein, what do you call an established putter design that Rife then improves? Dont slam your shut too soon. Having some idea of the handicaps of the testers will give more credability to the accuracy and meaningfulness of the test. I hit enough putts that my friends frequently ask to try it. Very interested in these, do you know if they are in any retail stores? ER2 feels better and is more pleasing to my eye. Didnt have as good of a feel either in my opinion, Ok I just played my first 18 with the ER2I missed NO putts inside 10 with 3 birdies within that range..2nd best score of the year..the article definitely lives up to the hype..Im amazed at the roll the ball gets..hard to tell sweet spot as the whole face feels like that..this putter has supplanted the Carbon Ringo in my bag which I owned even before your review on that company. We have contacted them and let them know. That is the best description of how the gearing works. Guerin Rife has been around a long time and the Evnroll putter does exactly what it claims and looks great doing it. Our AI tool automatically assigns a score from 0 to 10 based on the collected data. I would like to see a face balanced center shafted ER2CS or ER5CS, but that is me and that is how I roll. Or if they are coming to any? whereas the technology should help more, the longer the distance (due to geometrical reasons) Im really looking forward to trying these out and Im sure the slight finish behind Ketsch from 20 feet will probably not even be noticeable (maybe one stroke in 20 rounds?) Were talking about products driven by performance. That means you will need to adjust your stroke to account for that. Ping Eye 2 Iron Set 3-9+SW Black Dot Karsten Regular Graphite Mens LH. If the hardness of the face varied outward from the center, or sweet spot, then contact in an area where the face was substantially softer would result in less energy transfer, but the difference in hardness would have to be quite noticeable. No future? Artiklar om golf; Villkor . And none of this has anything to do with putting. Ok I heard about the New Evn roll putter and stopped in to check it out today, Jamie helped me and was very knowledgeable and helpful regarding putters ended up getting the ER 1 putter. Struggle is real. I see from the data it says Guerin Evnroll, does he not make Guerin putters anymore? If it doesnt work for you then, feel free to walk off the edge of the earth. HmmmThis just sounds too good to be true. Although they are very limited. Paste as plain text instead, I have a murdered out ER2. Were they all 10-20 handicap or more, or mostly under 10 handicap. ER2v - Evnroll US ER 2 v Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 3 customer ratings 3 ER2v MidBlade - a three tiered wider heel and toe weighted blade Due to increased demand, we are experiencing lengthened build times. I tend to think putters are a very personal thing. Walter Im not from MGS, just a reader. Someone needs to come up with a putter that somehow merges the technologies of the SIK & EVNROL faces (while getting around the patents somehow). Point is, a tightly grooved face does impart truer roll, believe it or not, Ive seen it for myself and has made me a believer and a better putter. Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide . I wouldnt worry about absolute value for that reason, but rather, where the score sits relative to the rest. I am a mallet style person but cant seem to get the ER2 out of my bag! email subject line You might want to stop and re-read that last sentence. Its only one round and I actually played quite badly (weekend hacker trying to get better) overall but putted well. I replaced it with the ER2 on a whim just to try it and boom, it stayed in the bag. Gravity has nothing to do with it as its on a hard surface ??? BUT! I can tell you that this putter flat out performs. Wouldnt a harder stroke introduce more error in to the putting stroke? Evnroll ER2, 33" Evnroll ER11v, 33" (just in case) Link to comment . (Unless it includes ice cream and Dr. Pepper. Just waiting for some more left handed options. They will be out of business in less than five years. Spin a bowling ball and it curves. If the ball is curving on its way to the hole then please explain the physics of why the ball is curving.. But again that is MY experience and I started playing in the mid 1970s when putter had thin heads and weighed nothing. I suppose no one wants to listen to the fact that we have proven this to not be true over and over and over again. Who can argue with the ball going in the hole. It was. It will make a difference. Great heft and stability, easy to start the ball on target. That is, 80 percent of your sales generally come from 20 percent of your SKUs. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Notable is that the conventional steel-shafted putters performed slightly better at 10 feet. I know Odyssey is the #1 Putter on Every Tour but Scotty Cameron is still the #1 brand to which every other milled putter is compared.. Then you say its the higher ranked putter because of its SG18 of 1.51, but in your 2015 most wanted putter overall winner you show the Ping Cadence at SG18 = 2.07. Companies make a product, then price it double what similar products cost while saying its special. Wilson Staff Model Irons 6-PW offers and trades welcome, Vokey SM8 52*/56*/60* SOLD, New Ping blade putter headcover, New Ping hat. At least that is how it seems to me. In golf, there is evolutionary technology and revolutionary. Question, I bought a used Evnroll ER-2 from my club that someone had traded in. Previous big improvement for me was with the Ketsch. It felt like you were hitting wood or a wrench? Sound and looks also impacts performance. Envroll ER2 Clearly I though I was headed the Mallet direction but actually the ER2 and the Queen B 8 were my favorite two and they are the more stretched blade style. I also want the toe of my putter dead for putting on super fast greens. Have you actually used one of these putters? Ummm.what is the article about and what are the conclusions, if any? My grandfather shot in the 70s well into his 80s. [texts-excerpt] multiplying imaginary numbers with square roots calculatorFREE EstimateFREE Estimate Made buckets on the last 18 including an eagle that I swear curved into the hole. Imagine using a robot to perfectly test straight strike vs 1/4 miss to left/right vs 1/2 miss to left/right and comparing the numbers. I put the ER2 in the bag three months ago and have made more putts (and missed fewer short ones) than in a long time. If a putter does not come with removable weights I wont buy it. There is a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to Rife. We (10 yr old son) bought one last month after talking to someone and comparing other putters with a fitter. Upload or insert images from URL. Your call. Length-specific head and grip weighting combine to elevate stroke consistency and control. It takes aerodynamically produced forces to make a golf ball curve. As far as my some strange reason for wanting it dead off the toe. Why has the RX1 a better result in this test compared to the blade vs. mallet test when looking at SG18 ? Is there a plan to? Doesnt matter who makes it or the cost. What puzzles me is, that the Evnroll putters seem to have no advantage on longer puts (20) Did you see where other companies tried to mimicking this, were promptly sued, and lost? Odyssey Stroke Lab Seven DAM 2 799 kr. Traffic from this test is the reason why it isnt right now. If they did so, I would have expected to see far more missed putts. It does also soften the strike which would require some adjustment and where standard face or shallow milled face putters seem to meander on past on a breaking slick downhiller, this putter seems to have a much more consistent distance control capability that stays near the hole. The critical mass on the outside of the face is greater than the critical mass on the inside. My only complaint was the grip (I liked that it was hard rubber for wet days but it was ugly) so I replaced it. Too light at 370 Gm ? I bought the ER1 as the only one in the shop here in Australia. But as other have noted, 3 other factors count. The bigger nerds are going to cry foul if those words are used. I still putted much better with the Ketsch mid than anything else Ive tried which brings up how disappointed I am that the Ping Vault Oslo and Bergen are not as good as the Ketsch. Practically, this means the brand will feature a single black-and-white color scheme that includes the grip and head cover. Tony is a big boy with a big website. Already made my $359 back and more! Like other companies, Rife purposely overbought certain pieces of inventory so that, as he says, we can sell as many putters as people will buy., Scotty Cameron is the 800-pound gorilla in the room when it comes to putters. And its amazing that no one has thought of it before. I bet the people at Ping and Odyssey wont be too far behind with bringing out something similar to match it if they can. If you play on the local muni or other "Value" public courses with slow greens it takes a lot of effort to hit lag putts outside of 50'. greater distances should exaggerate the deviations caused by normal putter faces. I kept hearing it but nowhere did it say how or why it happened but your explanation makes total sense. In this test you show the ER2 at SG18 =1.51, yet in the 2017 most wanted blade you show the ER2 as SG18=0.96. How people get there and what makes the. Its quality thru and thru. Both putters have the Evnroll Gravity Grips which are amazing. Did MGS change their testing results/procedures from previous putter tests. Ive had the ER 1 for around 5 plus years, and more than 85 percent of the time its in the bag, I do like the product. I tried these at PGA Superstores as well and bought the ER2 instantly. Is there video of this you would share? What is important for people to know is that the Gearing only works if you connect with the ball on an off center hit WITH a square face. The putters seem to work well, but something about his business models or investors seem a bit off. You can hang on to it for 10 years and it might be worth more than you paid for it. It took quite a few years to apply this simple thought to a putter. Even a deviation of 1/8-1/4 from center is super common. Am I right in seeing that there are no left handed options currently available? Patented. Sincerely, In touch with them already ? Hmmmmm I have a Scotty Cameron Studio 1.5 and love it. Thats a bold statement. Videos We certainly suggest you try an Evnroll for yourself. I am a small club maker/fitter and what I find in common with the Evnroll putter and a driver are the scorelines and the gear effect that is common with some of the drivers. He can handle us disagreeing with him or challenging his claims politely like a gentleman. Golfer are a weird bunch people Ive had five putters in the last 37 years. Being a weekend hacker with my old putter at least a few times a round I would get this wrong enough that I would leave it too far away and miss the next put at least once. After about 25 minutes there were occasions where I may have sensed/noticed the technology working but I wasnt sure. Folks think high cost equals better product so they purchase it. Hi Mick, I called them earlier to order a putter. I could possibly buy the criticism that pros mishit the putter less often than amateurs..but no one hits the dead-nuts center of the face every time. If you think it through, the phenomenon makes sense. Cons The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. I have never read testing or seen comparising made with Bobby Grace putters on your website. Once they try it they will see for themselves. Not sure why more people arent rolling these putters, George low wizard Jack Nicklaus used model. Just like PXG and theyve been out of business for two years. All excellent putters but I was most consistent with the Evnroll. Im not sure what they are arguing about here. Thank you for the compliment! Evnroll models finished 1st and 2nd from 10 feet. Irons on the other hand you seem to keep to long. Thanks for the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1dXsUmILmE. problem is you still have to putt with it and that is where the rubber meets the road regarding how a product performs. Evnroll ER2 Black 5 899 kr. Any golfer without this in their bag after today is, playing inferior technology. Odyssey etc. If most sales come from a handful of designs, what about the others? People regularly spend more for putters that do less for them. I removed the grip to put the larger Evnroll grip on it and realized that there was a counter-balance weight in the end of shaft. I have been rolling it into the center of my practice green quite accurate only missed 1 out of 20 because I did not hit it hard other wise it would have gone in as well. 2 times I was more than 20 foot away and both times I over-hit the puts considerably. satin black Length/loft/lie adjustments * Felt like I could take my hands off it and it'd still work. As for correcting a putt, Ive not seen that, but the ball doesnt seem to move as far off line on a mis-hit. Take a green speed of 12-13 versus one of 7.5 and one can notice a significant difference in the results of the putts. We just found this particular review a little hyped and the Gearing claim is what many of us are put off by., steer the ball back to the target, in particular. Having gamed several Rifes in the past, my opinion is that grooves do put a smoother roll on the ball, and Rife himself has an eye for a clean design (even if the shapes are highly derivative/copies). Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 - Putters - GolfWRX Home The Bag Room Putters Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! The top putter completed its track in approximately 9% fewer putts than the last place finisher. C $298.29. But did you know that theres absolutely no evidence to suggest that a ball that starts rolling faster goes in the hole more often? Best putter Ive ever owned. It sounds great, doesnt it? Beyond that, one could argue that its the best blade putter weve tested in the last six years. The consistency of roll is uncanny; makes lag putts easy. ALL of your HOPES and DREAMS behind this click: Scotty, Tri-HOT, Taylor Made SIM Galore, Fuji Pro, Callaway Heads - Rogue ST TD LS 10.5/Max 3HL/Max 7W. Putter Evnroll ER1 / 34 pulgadas | eBay It was a lot like my Odyssey Black Series #2 with a little more weight. I am very excited for this test. Its difficult, yes, because it requires a precise motion which is not easy to consistently achieve, to make contact a ball which has a variable surface (the dimples), across an uneven, living surface (the green) which has slope, grain, and inconsistent surface characteristics due to moisture content, in an outdoor environment with factors such as wind coming into play. What it showed was something you wouldnt believe unless you saw it for yourself. Its a claim no other putter brand makes. If I read the green correctly, I make the putt. This is about his third (maybe fourth?) I suspect wed get along swimmingly in real life. Now if I could just find someone around here who HAS Guerin putters. Logic would then tell you that youd have to put a stronger stroke on this putter than a standard putter. Ill give it another try. Secondly, some indication of the handicapps of each of the testers would have also been useful. If you spend $400-$500 on a driver, why not a putter that is definitely great. Rapid change only happens because something was built that made the existing model obsolete. This is due to the amount of material removed from the face to machine the grooves. This one was a little high on the hype level. 3. shafts, which rife can easily incude. It is hard to believe for many golfers when traditionally they have been marketed too with little to no performance that backs up all the previous claims. Putters are like Drivers you buy a new one every year because its not you its the equipment . Evnroll putters are simply too heavy 370gm heads. Hopefully they will soon. This could be the best putter of all time but no one will pay 329 for it. . Armlock putters arent anything new. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. So I must say I was hasty in my review above regarding the feel being off. funny, that the biggest advantage is on short puts exact the opposite of what is to expect, if the ball is rolling the same distance in the same line, on off-center hits If you did you would be giving up realperformance. I absolutely love my evnroll. Ive been playing golf for 20+ years, Im 26, and play to a +2 right now at a course with very difficult greens. Come on man, this is 2017. Its why Evnroll putters feature parabolic face technology, two naked alignment dots on the topline, a rocker sole and precision milling, etc. yet never bettered. I LOVED it. The (alleged) benefit of Evnrolls face groove technology is that it corrects mis-hits. There is no gear effect in the interaction of the face of the putter and the ball because the club head does not rotate as a result of an offset between the contact point on the club face and the position of the center of mass. 5 Testers Needed! By raskal21, March 26, 2020 in Putters Followers Reply to this topic Start new topic raskal21 Advanced Members 795 Feedback 86 0 0 Total Rating 100% Scotty Cameron to me is just a hype and too commercial. I then got the chance to use it for the first time yesterday in a round. Would you be intrigued? I dont have a precise number at which this transition occurs but it likely involves selling in the neighborhood of 100,000 putters every year. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. We are currently working to a 5-6 business days build time plus shipping for each putter. Feel free to contact us at [emailprotected] if you would like to visit. Ive read thru all the positive and negative comments but I will have to say that a very similar design on the face of my Heavy putter does in fact improve performance. Sometimes acoustics in a room can vary impression. I learned this from hacks like Mickelson and Nicklaus. Not only did Evnrolltechnology outperform the best putter we have ever tested at MyGolfSpy, the data shows that the Evnroll technology outperformed it across each of the 4 models we tested. Definitely recommend you trying them and get your feels, but both are quality putters. And I think most resort courses will tell you that they keep the greens slower because the average golfer cannot putt well on fast surfaces and rounds are much slower because of more 4 putts, or more versus the slower speeds. And, in the Id tell you but Id have to kill you category, I have it on good authority that Evnroll has at least one fascinating arrow in the quiver for 2023 that more or less follows a similar strategy. Or cater to Tour pros with one-off, bespoke design services. good good golf putter for sale - stmatthewsbc.org But if the ER 1 helps knock off a few strokes as they say drive for show putt for dough. What makes a slider pitch move sideways? And to be honest, the Karsten TR 1955 putters feel better to me than the Vault version. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. Oh yeah, and spend more time practicing your putting. Product Information. Lastly,, perhaps their own zero- torque shaft (Stability)) that is optimized for their head designs. This leads me to believe that they would be great putters for fast greens, but would take a lot of getting used to on slow greens. Head to head! And I have to say Alex, yes they are. Plenty of putter brands make a version of this design. Over and over again?? With the Evnroll ER6 my misses are now stopping right next to the hole, if they dont drop in. To find out how Guerin Rifes new Evnroll putters perform, we put 4 models to the test against our 2016 Most Wanted Blade and 2016 Most Wanted Mallet putters. Cameron enjoys the benefits of economies of scale. I had 3 clear miss-hits on the toe of the putter that all went in when normally they pull to the left. This keeps the ball travelling on the high side of the target line..I can certainly back this up, it really does keep the ball above the break. We arent trolls just other golfers. Sometimes technology seems to change literally overnight. Glad to see a robot in the test (and mention of robot testing in a couple other articles recently). Spin, not gravity. The Bettinardi Kuchar 35 model has this sweetness as did the original black cameron Golo from 6 years ago. I would love to believe that a putter costing $350 dollars would actually produce the skill it would take to reduce the number of putts, to warrant such a price. You would think most of the curvature back toward center occurs in the first foot or 2 followed by a somewhat straight ball, but there has to be some influence to the side as well. Distance control was very uniform as advertised but being on a flat, indoor surface it is hard to know if the accuracy is significantly better than my current putter. And most golfers need the most help for those distances. 2. Would probably have been best if they made sure their website was up BEFORE posting this article. Ive gamed Bobbys for a long time and have always wanted to see his putters included, but MGS has stated over and over that Bobby declines to participate. It alleges to draw or fade your putt if you hit it off center to put it back online. Ive been playing since the mid-1970s. I use p770 irons & g400 driver because of this website. Firstly, there was a video we saw detailing what the putter could do. My earlier round I played around the course much better and thought I had putted well so to get 5 puts less when I was playing quite badly saved yesterdays round IMO. In the end the only thing that really matters is squaring up the face while having the proper aim point and speed. Ill bit I want one. Odyssey putter covers - 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open LA Golf "Bel-Air" prototype putter - 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open Bettinardi "Party On!" headcovers - 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open Im still in maybe $130 for a putter Id put up against the big names. Learn how your comment data is processed. The ping has the grooves and is a hard surface. I found that the ER1 has a lower face height than the Scotty Newport I was using. The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. I would think it would be damaging to tell you something other than what happened. The one cool thing about the ER3 is that off-center hits is that it does kind of bring the ball back towards the hole. Hahahaha even my girlfriend is getting jealous at the affection I show for this thing. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! The face tech is real and works. "Isn't it funny? His Armlock Made Easy platform asked golfers to take an existing putter length and add six inches. If architects can restore and enhance a golf course, does Evnroll Guerin-ize or Rife-inate a model? Which is the type of putter I play. Liked the grooves a lot but it was just too light. Gaming a Sub70 005 Sycamore wide blade that I snagged for $119 (new theyre only $169). Tonico: the founder is the same guy who started RIFE putters, which we represent. The spacing and design of these grooves are designed to ensure exceptional distance control. I dispute the comments about the hard feel. So robot good for a couple things, robot not so good for finding the overall performance of a product in real golfers hands. Aesthetics matter. This is a new frontier in putter design, and potentially the most significant putter technology since the Anser, and TR Grooves. Its brilliant. Age 66, handicap at 1.4 and I think this is the very best putter I have ever used. 360-370 grams take all touch and feel out of putting. A decade of data we have collected shows no correlation between Sound/Looks and Performance. You can see it straight away. Because the forces involved in putting are so low, and the ball is rolling, not flying through the air, the location of the center of mass of the head of the putter has virtually no effect on the path of the ball. The performance has carried over to the course and practice green. today. That is elite company to say the least. This is the only case where I could have seen a robot being used effectively to give us a really good test. Ill wait a few years when its $99. PGA SS Shenandoah Texas. Evnroll ER2 Putter Review | Golf Equipment: Clubs, Balls, Bags | Golf Putters are like Drivers you buy a new one every . Grooves dont matter. WHAT'S NEXT FOR EVNROLL PUTTERS? | MyGolfSpy The right grooves matter. Has anyone tried the Pyramid Putter? Essentially, they have engineered a sweet spot hit to react like a mishit as far as distance is concerned. Rife is quick to acknowledge the 80/20 retail rule. TM Spider Tour v's evnroll ER2 or ER3? - MyGolfSpy Forum What about the lefties? Evnroll ER5v MidLock . At least mentioning what speed the greens were for the tests would have been useful. C $253.55. Claims are just that, claims. All of the strikes should end up being the exact same (repeatable) and really show off/disprove Evnflows technology. They are at PGA Tour Superstores Currently. Legal proceedings aside, Evnrolls sales continued to climb. Basically, the details that matter to Rife as a designer also matter to the end user.

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